Io però non saprei da che parte cominciare per sottotitolare...
Questi sono i sottotitoli. Basta tradurli, magari anche solo di fianco, poi vedo io di fare un srt e di caricarlo su dailymotion inserendo la cartella tradotta.
Se tradotti in italiano eventualmente le ricopio io come l'originale inglese e sincronizzandoli se ce ne fosse bisogno.
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Have you ever been through something
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and you don't know what just happened,
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but you know it was
important to go through?
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This is that journey for me.
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Misogynist ranting would be at home
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in the far reaching Internet subculture
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widely described as
the men's rights movement...
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A toxic distillation of the worst
aspects of American sexism.
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It's a universe of message
boards where men get together
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to express their hatred towards women.
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Well, 1 thought men
had all of the adv ant ages
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in the world these days?
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That's utter nonsense.
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Men are routinely ground up
in a family court system
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that is misandrist
and biased against them.
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They are the majority of the homeless.
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They are the majority of suicides.
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They are majority of the drug addicted.
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They are the majority of the unemployed.
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They are majority of the school drop outs.
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They are the majority
of those in prison...
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How do we know that they're
not the cause of these problems?
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There's a reason that women live
longer, mark, let me tell you.
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It is because we are stronger
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and we are happier at the end
of the day than most men,
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and that is factual and you know it.
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And when men are married
to women who scream like you
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they just want to die sooner.
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- I'm not screaming.
- When you have...
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A voice for men...
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An online hub for men's rights actmsts.
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They were founded by a man
named Paul elam.
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It's a website called “ a voice for men“
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that's run by a man named Paul elam...
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Which is "male" spelled backwards,
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but it is his real name apparently.
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It's a gathering of women haters.
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This Southern poverty law center
has classified that group
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and men's rights groups as hate groups.
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He wrote a piece
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declaring the month of October
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to be "bash a violent bitch" month.
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"I mean, literally to grab
them by the hair,
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and smack their face
against the wall," he wrote.
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Here he is.
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You may be wondering
why I'm sitting in a car
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with notorious men's
rights actmst Paul elam.
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That's a valid question.
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And to answer it,
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I need to start at the beginning...
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The beginning of how I became a feminist.
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1 was a quiet kid, preferring
to observe from afar.
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My mom put me in theater classes
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when I was eight years old
to break me out of my shell,
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and I loved it,
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so much to the point that I decided
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to move to Hollywood
when I was 18 years old
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to become an actress.
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What I wasn't prepared for
was to be pigeonholed
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as the blonde who always died.
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Billy?
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Granted, I had a good scream.
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But the characters I played
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weren't alone in feeling objectified.
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I was commonly harassed on the streets,
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hit on by married producers,
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told by photographers to come back
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when I lost 15 pounds and got a boob job,
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and a plethora of other
uncomfortable experiences,
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all while still being a teenager.
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I started to realize my role in the world
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seemed a little too similar to the
unfortunate roles 1 was audittoning for,
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and it was not how I saw myself
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or the person that I wanted to be.
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So I quit acting and bought a video camera
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to tell the stories I wanted to tell,
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and now I've been making
documentary films since 2008
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when I was 21 years old.
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Most of my work has been about
women's issues and sexuality.
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I've covered a range of topics
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from the phenomenon of purity balls,
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to reproductive rights,
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single motherhood,
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and lgbt rights.
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After releasing my film in 2012
about marriage equality,
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I was at a loss of what topic
to explore next,
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and that's when two horrific
stories broke the news.
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Two star high school football players
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in steubenville, Ohio,
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have been found guilty of raping
a West Virginia teenager.
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The video shows the former
steubenville student
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callously joking about the incident.
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That's like rape.
It is rape.
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- Bro.
- They raped her.
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- Bro.
- They raped her.
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- This is the funniest...
- They raped her.
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Outrage across India
as a 23-year-old woman,
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the victim of one
of the most horrific rapes
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India has ever heard of.
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A 90-minute
horror for a 23-year-old
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medicine student on this bus.
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Gang raped and beaten,
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her friend assaulted
and thrown out of the bus...
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Every day, every woman is
facing violence on the streets.
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People are scared...
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I started to research this rape culture.
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A website called
a voice for men popped up.
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Paul elam wrote about how women long
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to live out their rape fantasies,
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to be taken by a man
she's never spoken to,
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let alone given consent to.
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As 1 read, I was asking myself,
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is this the rape apologist
that I've been hearing about?
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The victim blamer
who perpetuates rape culture?
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I continued to read
a voice for men's website,
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often stopping
around the half-way mark
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in every article,
because I could only read
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so many "bitch," "fuck," "feminazi,"
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and "rapetard" words per minute.
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But even still, I kept reading,
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and thinking, and reading some more.
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I was trying to understand how these,
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what I perceived to be women haters,
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could have so many followers.
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So I decided to meet these mras...
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The ones leading the movement,
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and some of their followers, too...
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And this begins my journey
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down the rabbit hole.
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This, ladies and gentlemen,
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is an historic moment.
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Never before has there been
a gathering of this magnitude
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to support men's and boy's issues.
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We have got serious problems.
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I have been working in this area,
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advocating for the rights of...
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Mra! Go away!
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And here we go.
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What you'll hear is that we hate women.
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You'll hear that it's a backlash
against women's rights.
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You'll hear that we're regressives
that want women back in the kitchen
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and making sandwiches
and barefoot and pregnant.
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You're just bitter, you're a loser,
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you're a whiner, you're ugly,
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you're undesirable, you're lazy.
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You're scary, you must be a racist,
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you must be a misogynist.
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When we do speak out,
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women often don't want
to hear what we have to say,
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and so then we're called names.
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We're called whiners.
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And this is the way people who don't
want men to talk about issues
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try to shut us up.
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Um, we all know that you guys
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are a fascist Nazi front
group of white supremacists,
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no other way to openly organize
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other than calling yourselves
a men's rights group.
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Yeah!
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"We're somehow disempowered
because we're white men."
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Maybe it's just because you're pathetic.
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We're here to fight
how misogynistic assholes
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think they have the right
to oppress women.
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White men are starting to feel misplaced
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because women are sharing space.
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It's disgusting, and just grow the fuck up
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and don't confuse suffrage
with oppression.
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Everyone suffers.
It's universal.
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I am a man and I need feminism.
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We're feminists'.
We're fabulous'.!
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We're here! We're queer!
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And it is crystal clear
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that the problems
for men and boys are real.
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I would like to turn the microphone
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over to Paul elam of a voice for men
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for some words.
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Whoo!
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This is a historic day.
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I've never seen a gathering like this
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out of concern for
the general state of affairs
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for men and boys in this culture.
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Trying to articulate the entire platform
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of the men's rights movement
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is kinda like trying
to understand a snow drift
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one snowflake at a time.
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It's a very, very complicated matter.
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Just consider this,
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that 93% of workplace fatalities are men.
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Four of five suicides are men.
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Men are dropping out of higher education
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at very alarming rates.
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We're down to 38% now
of college students are men,
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and it's dropping rapidly.
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Male suicide, male abuse,
male unemployment,
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male homelessness,
male failure in education,
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male health issues.
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You got the paternity front issue,
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and the wrongful paternity issue,
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the false allegation issue.
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Men are sentenced to 63% more prison time
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for the same crime as women.
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They're less likely to see a doctor.
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They're less likely
to have health insurance.
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The family court system
truly is biased against men.
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I mean, there's just no question about it.
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It's really the pro choice
for women only movement,
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because men... they're denying
men any kind of choice
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once a child is conceived.
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Her body, her choice, right?
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Think about men.
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His body, his choice?
Not so much.
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Because the U.S. government
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does not want to send you to die.
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It would rather send me to die.
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Young men that are fatltng to launch.
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They're staying in their homes of origin
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far past the time that
we would normally expect them
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to indmduate and move out
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and go live their lives.
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We have video game addiction.
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We have pornography addiction.
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We have the abuse of young boys
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with drugs like ritalin
to manage their behavior.
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Almost all victims
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of autism spectrum disorders are boys.
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Boys are most likely to be homeless,
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most likely to get cancer,
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most likely to die young
of every major cause,
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most likely to be arrested, prosecuted,
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imprisoned, and even executed
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while being completely innocent.
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It doesn't matter what their race is.
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It doesn't matter what their ethnicity is.
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It doesn't matter what their religious
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or non-religious views are.
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It doesn't matter
if they're gay or straight.
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Men and boys are in crisis
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and they need your help
and they need your support
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because they are human beings, too,
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and you will not shame me or anybody here
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into silence about it anymore.
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But if you start
to talk about those issues
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and address them
in terms of how they affect
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men and boys as a group,
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people get hostile about it.
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The idea is that men have all the rights.
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They've always had the power.
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But if that's true,
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why can't men talk about their problems?
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And that's what really got me
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interested in this to begin with.
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[3 ayet shortly after 1 began
filming men's rights actmsts,
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I realized my own views
were being challenged.
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I kept a video diary throughout filming,
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and I've decided to share
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some of those diaries with you.
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I really do feel like learning
about the men's movement
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and their specific issues,
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the issues that they have issue with,
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it's hard for me
to completely understand them
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and...
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Just automatically feel welcome
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in that space of talking
about these issues.
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Because at least with feminism,
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whenever I heard about the issues
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that feminists were fighting against,
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I always felt like I had
something to draw from
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in experience to be on board with that.
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And that's always been why I've been drawn
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to the feminist movement,
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is because a lot of what they spoke about
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I had personal experiences with.
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And with the men's movement,
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I have very little personal experiences
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with the issues that they talk about.
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A cab driver who is
drmng a cab 70 hours a week
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was not saying, "I am earning this money
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to have power over my wife."
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He was earning this money
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even though it took power
away from his life.
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He was doing that so his child
wouldn't have to drive that cab.
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The garbage collector does not
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get up at 3:00 or 4:00
in the morning
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in rain and sleet and snow
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and get out to do the garbage
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so he can have more power over his wife.
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That's power he's losing over his life
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in order to make his contribution,
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his sacrifice, his way of loving.
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And this has been translated
into the culture of
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"you make more money than women do,
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you must therefore
have more power."
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Meet Warren Farrell,
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best-selling author
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and self-styled
social anthropologist,
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leading an assault on our
traditional thinking about men.
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I asked my girlfriend at the time
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to buy me as a gift,
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I think it was for Christmas
or my birthday,
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Warren Farrell's book
"the myth of male power,"
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which she did, and it just
changed my whole life.
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And his premise was while women
are often seen as sex objects,
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men are often seen as success objects.
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And this resonated with me.
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He wrote this book that
questioned our notions of power,
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of who had power and where it was,
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and it questioned the roles of men,
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but not the way feminists
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had always questioned gender roles.
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Every society that survived
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survived based on its ability
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to train its sons to be disposable...
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Disposable in war as warriors,
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disposable in work as firefighters,
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as workers on oil rigs
and so on, coal miners,
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and indirectly, therefore
disposable as dads.
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What happens in men's life
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when they're raised that they're worthless
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unless they're a provider,
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that they must work even if they have
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to take on extremely dangerous work,
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they must get this done
or they're useless as men?
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That is very, very powerful stuff.
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See, feminism did see accurately
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that we value male work
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more than we value female work.
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But there's also the issue
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that we value female life
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more than we value male life.
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Even when that plane
went down in New York City
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a few years ago and, you know,
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the pilot was a hero
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for the way he landed it
and saved everybody...
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Word arrived over
the city-wide fire frequency
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that a commercial jet liner
was in the water
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with 155 people on board.
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Then, over the next few minutes,
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the doors opened,
life vests were inflated,
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and, women and children first,
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everyone got off that plane.
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They saved all the women first.
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That's still... when I went
on a cruise, you know,
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there's still women into
the life boats first.
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Not because you're a man
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so you should be able to swim
halfway across the ocean,
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but because you're a man
you're expendable.
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We have to look at not just
the glass ceilings,
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but also the glass cellars.
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And, Paul, I think as you were saying,
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we have to look at men
just not only as human doings,
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but also as human beings.
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When you survive because
somebody else is willing to die
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like in war,
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then that...
You're immune to the pain
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of the people who are dying
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because you have an investment
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in their being willing to die.
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You say, "1 will build a statue.
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I will remember you
in a history book."
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But if you look at that
from another perspective,
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that building of the statue
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or remembering you in a history book
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is a bribe to be willing to die
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so that I can live.
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Both sexes in the
area where they are rejected
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tend to turn what rejects them
into an object.
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So the area where men...
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I'm watching this, um, lecture
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that Warren Farrell's gmng in the '90s.
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I see some women in the crowd,
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and a lot of them have their hands folded,
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and there is a little bit of...
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Uncomfortableness...
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By being a woman
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in a crowd of people
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while the speaker's talking
about how men are oppressed
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and women have it so great.
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It kinda puts you
on the defensive, as a woman.
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And understanding that I feel that way
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makes me wonder
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are men having their arms crossed
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listening to a feminist speaker
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talk about how men have all the power
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and women are oppressed?
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Are men feeling like,
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"what are you talking about?
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I don't have power,
and we have it pretty shitty
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on this side of the grass, too"?
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Women hold up half the sky!
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Women hold up half the sky!
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Women hold up half the sky!
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Women hold up half the sky!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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Fuck Warren Farrell!
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In 2012, Dr. Warren Farrell
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was speaking on behalf of men's issues
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at the university of Toronto in Canada.
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A feminist group protested the event.
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Be fucking ashamed of yourself.
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You're fucking scum.
You are fucking scum.
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Fucking rape apologist,
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incest-supporting,
woman-hating fucking scum.
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You're fucking scum.
Yeah, just another...
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You know what, though?
Why would you pay money
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to fucking support
a fucking rape apologist
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if you weren't fucking one?
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I never heard him saying...
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Well, it...
Fucking scum!
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Who do you serve?
Who do you protect?
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Who do you serve?
Who do you protect?
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No! Fuck!
They're fucking scum!
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Fuck you!
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Fuck you!
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Get a real fucking job.
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Get out of here.
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This is what men's rights look like'.!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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This is what men's rights look like!
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- Hi. How are you?
- Warren, I'm Cassie.
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You' re Cassie? Oh, for some
reason 1 thought you were a male.
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I'm just delighted that you're a female.
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Well, thank you.
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Very glad to meet you.
Come on in.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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But Farrell wasn't
always so attentive to men.
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In fact, for years, he focused almost
exclusively on women's issues,
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rubbing shoulders with feminist leaders
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like Gloria steinem.
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And he's still
a card-carrying member
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of the national organization for women.
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I believe that women cannot hear
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what men do not say.
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And he's got a lot
to say to both men and women
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in his provocative new book,
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"the myth of male power."
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I was making a very significant
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amount of money speaking around the world
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on behalf of women's issues alone.
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I went through a period
of forming men's groups.
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And then when I listened to them,
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I thought, "well, gee,
this will be really helpful
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to present to audiences
so that they can understand
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not only women's side,
but men's side, too,
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'cause I was really totally
in the feminist's camp.
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And immediately I saw
my standing ovations drop.
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I started hearing
that there was people saying,
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"don't invite him there
to speak with us."
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And pretty soon I had, you know,
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very few college and university
speaking engagements.
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How did you originally
get involved with feminism?
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Where did that all begin?
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I was doing my doctorate
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at political science at nyu
in the late '60s,
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and the women's movement surfaced.
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And I started to say,
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"this is the most exciting
thing I've ever heard."
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Because I'd heard
of cml rights, gay rights,
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but suddenly women were saying,
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"I don't wanna be confined to just being
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a homemaker, a secretary."
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So it's like, "why shouldn't
women be encouraged
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to do everything
they possibly can do?"
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And at that point in time,
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I saw a lot of women marrying men
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that they weren't completely in love with,
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but the man earned a fair amount.
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So I thought, that's just
a form of prostitution
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extended over a lifetime.
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How depressed that must make a woman.
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And it's not gonna
be good for a man either.
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He never knows whether
he's loved for who he is
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or loved for what he has.
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And he's afraid to give up producing
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because he's afraid to lose love.
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And so women who were successful to me
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appeared to be women who would free men
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from having to be all, you know,
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wrapped up in just
being the only bread winner,
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and supporting one, two,
three, four, five people.
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It's one thing to support yourself.
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When you're supporting five people,
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you don't have the freedom
to question your boss,
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because you're supporting five people.
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The first issue of feminism
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was to say, "just because I'm a woman,
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maybe I don't wanna spend
my life raising children."
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You know, "don't force me into
that role against my will."
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So they looked at men and said,
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"well, you're not forced
to raise children.
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You don't have any issue.
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But for men, the traditional sex role
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was not raising children.
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For us, the traditional sex role
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was to be a provider, a protector,
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and to initiate relationships.
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Each of us has traditional sex roles.
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Don't force us to carry out
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those traditional sex roles.
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We have the same rules set up for men
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that they've always lived by,
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that you need to protect
and provide at any cost.
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But we've changed everything
where it concerns women.
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They now have access
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to everything men
have always had access to...
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To education, to work,
to whatever they want to do,
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but they're not the ones drmng the semis
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and they're not the ones
in the coal mines.
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You don't hear the national
organization for women
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complaining that there is just
not enough female ditch diggers.
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It is still men carrying the lion's share
519
00:27:21,015 --> 00:27:25,311
for what it takes to operate
and maintain this society,
520
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,563
and it is still the expectation
521
00:27:27,772 --> 00:27:29,612
that if somebody's
gonna go down with the ship,
522
00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:31,442
it's gonna be men.
523
00:27:38,908 --> 00:27:42,703
Flexibility in roles is where
we should be all headed.
524
00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:45,790
Any men's rights actmsts
that I would support
525
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:48,417
would support the portions
of the women's movement
526
00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:51,587
that is encouraging women
527
00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:54,257
to have more flexibility in roles.
528
00:27:54,465 --> 00:27:56,759
So where do the men's movement
529
00:27:56,968 --> 00:27:59,345
and feminism disagree?
530
00:27:59,554 --> 00:28:02,431
Well, only on the fundamental belief
531
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,226
that the women's movement
532
00:28:05,434 --> 00:28:07,979
says men are the oppressors,
533
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:11,941
that they... we are involved
in a patriarchal world
534
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:17,363
in which men invented
the rules to benefit men
535
00:28:17,572 --> 00:28:19,949
at the expense of women.
536
00:28:20,158 --> 00:28:23,035
But don't we live in a patriarchy,
537
00:28:23,244 --> 00:28:26,330
when most of the world's nations
538
00:28:26,539 --> 00:28:29,500
still have never had a female leader...
539
00:28:40,011 --> 00:28:42,388
And less than 5°/o of CEOs
540
00:28:42,597 --> 00:28:45,641
of fortune 500 companies are women?
541
00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:52,148
You have to look at this
in a larger perspective.
542
00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:55,776
Patriarchy is the result of gender roles
543
00:28:55,985 --> 00:28:57,862
and not the vice versa.
544
00:29:02,325 --> 00:29:05,578
Traditionally, women's
power and responsibility
545
00:29:05,786 --> 00:29:07,580
has been in the reproductive sphere,
546
00:29:07,788 --> 00:29:09,415
while men's power and responsibility
547
00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,959
was in the productive sphere.
548
00:29:12,168 --> 00:29:14,587
You know, you have to reproduce
to continue the species,
549
00:29:14,795 --> 00:29:16,881
and you have to produce to feed people
550
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:18,507
so that they can reproduce.
551
00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:20,426
So, you know,
it's like they work together.
552
00:29:29,977 --> 00:29:32,521
And most cultures diwied up roles
553
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:35,149
because women were responsible
for childbirth
554
00:29:35,358 --> 00:29:37,276
and were more likely to breastfeed.
555
00:29:37,485 --> 00:29:38,861
They're not more likely to...
556
00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:40,905
They did the breastfeeding.
557
00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:44,158
They tended to be involved
in the role of raising children.
558
00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,370
Men tended to be involved
in the role of raising money
559
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:49,622
or making a killing of the animals
560
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:51,582
or making a killing in wall street.
561
00:29:51,832 --> 00:29:55,253
But those were our obligations.
562
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:57,421
So that's why industry was male dominated
563
00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:59,048
and government was male dominated,
564
00:29:59,257 --> 00:30:00,925
'cause that was our job.
565
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,135
So what we call patriarchy
566
00:30:03,344 --> 00:30:07,181
is men gmng in to the expected roles
567
00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:08,790
that they're supposed to give in to,
568
00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:10,489
and many of those roles
are very harmful...
569
00:30:10,685 --> 00:30:14,230
Working exceptionally
long hours, difficult hours,
570
00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:17,066
dangerous jobs, getting killed on a job...
571
00:30:17,275 --> 00:30:20,361
Even politics a lot of people
describe as masochism.
572
00:30:22,446 --> 00:30:26,284
Imagine what it takes to be
a successful politician.
573
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:29,495
Imagine how much of your
personal life that you give up,
574
00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:33,291
how much you work, how much
privacy that you sacrifice,
575
00:30:33,541 --> 00:30:35,876
how much freedom in your day to day life
576
00:30:36,085 --> 00:30:37,503
that goes out the window.
577
00:30:37,712 --> 00:30:39,714
There are more men
willing to do those things
578
00:30:39,922 --> 00:30:41,716
than there are women.
579
00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:44,593
Oh, I think we got a pen for everybody.
580
00:30:44,802 --> 00:30:47,513
But also, just because men are the ones,
581
00:30:47,722 --> 00:30:50,891
for instance, writing the laws in general,
582
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,145
doesn't mean that the laws
are protecting men.
583
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,397
You hear about patriarchy, right?
584
00:30:56,605 --> 00:30:58,083
All the evils of the world
is from patriarchy.
585
00:30:58,107 --> 00:31:01,319
But we're the ones dying, you know?
586
00:31:01,527 --> 00:31:03,112
And we die for you guys, you know?
587
00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:06,324
To protect our families, our friends.
588
00:31:06,532 --> 00:31:09,118
In every society that's ever existed,
589
00:31:09,327 --> 00:31:12,663
women have had prmlege
and protection that men did not.
590
00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:17,335
For example, we never hear
about how men were excluded
591
00:31:17,543 --> 00:31:20,629
from the forced labor convention of 1930.
592
00:31:20,838 --> 00:31:22,923
For years, the forced labor convention
593
00:31:23,132 --> 00:31:26,510
was an international treaty
that banned slavery,
594
00:31:26,719 --> 00:31:28,012
enforced servitude,
595
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:29,347
but it made an exception
596
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:33,100
for able-bodied males
ages 18 to 45.
597
00:31:34,852 --> 00:31:37,355
Eventually, they got rid of that,
598
00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:39,357
but there was still an exemption
599
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:44,236
for prisoners and military,
which is 90°/o male.
600
00:31:44,445 --> 00:31:48,949
Stop pretending that you're oppressed
601
00:31:49,158 --> 00:31:51,744
and men are your oppressors.
602
00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:54,372
It's a lie, and it's a hurtful lie,
603
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,916
and it's a hateful lie, and it's wrong.
604
00:32:15,768 --> 00:32:18,396
You talk a lot about the red pill
605
00:32:18,604 --> 00:32:20,856
in a voice for men.
What is the red pill?
606
00:32:21,065 --> 00:32:23,317
Oh, it's sort of a cultural slogan.
607
00:32:23,526 --> 00:32:26,237
It comes from the movie "the matrix"
608
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:29,198
where the character Neo
is given the choice
609
00:32:29,407 --> 00:32:31,200
between a red pill and a blue pill.
610
00:32:31,409 --> 00:32:35,621
You take the red pill,
you stay in wonderland
611
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:38,416
and I show you how deep
the rabbit hole goes.
612
00:32:38,666 --> 00:32:42,211
And if he swallows the red pill,
613
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:45,131
the scales will be peeled back
from his eyes.
614
00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:49,135
He will see everything
that he hasn't been able to see.
615
00:32:49,343 --> 00:32:51,887
And if he takes the blue pill,
he'll just go back to sleep
616
00:32:52,096 --> 00:32:54,223
and live in his sort of unaware,
617
00:32:54,432 --> 00:32:56,600
semi-comatose state forever,
618
00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,894
and probably be a lot happier.
619
00:32:59,103 --> 00:33:00,771
It's a pretty apt analogy.
620
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,525
So what is the blue pill in this world?
621
00:33:04,733 --> 00:33:08,237
Well, the blue is the paradigm
that most people live by,
622
00:33:08,446 --> 00:33:10,030
that men have all the power,
623
00:33:10,239 --> 00:33:12,241
that they've always had all the power,
624
00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:15,035
that domestic violence is a problem
625
00:33:15,244 --> 00:33:17,663
that's committed by men
against women only,
626
00:33:17,872 --> 00:33:19,392
that sexual assaults are only committed
627
00:33:19,582 --> 00:33:21,667
by men against women,
628
00:33:21,876 --> 00:33:23,461
that women don't make the same money
629
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:26,088
for the same work as men.
630
00:33:26,297 --> 00:33:28,507
"Teach men not to rape.
Only men can stop rape.
631
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:30,259
Men commit domestic violence.
632
00:33:30,468 --> 00:33:32,303
We need to stop
violence against women..."
633
00:33:32,511 --> 00:33:35,264
instead of just stopping violence.
634
00:33:35,473 --> 00:33:37,183
That is feminist training.
635
00:33:40,478 --> 00:33:44,482
The mras...
636
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,942
Say that we live
in a blue-pill world
637
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:49,737
where women are victims,
men are perpetrators,
638
00:33:49,945 --> 00:33:51,864
and it's all a lie
639
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:54,909
and that we're brainwashed
to believe this,
640
00:33:55,117 --> 00:33:56,285
and that it's not true,
641
00:33:56,494 --> 00:33:57,888
and that men are slaves in this world
642
00:33:57,912 --> 00:34:01,290
and women are...
643
00:34:01,499 --> 00:34:03,834
1 don't think women are
necessarily the puppet masters,
644
00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:08,297
but I think they're saying that women
645
00:34:08,506 --> 00:34:12,801
have the easy way out and men are...
646
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:15,137
They're given medals and statues
647
00:34:15,346 --> 00:34:17,348
and written in the history books
648
00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:21,435
to justify them dying
and being slaves to work
649
00:34:21,644 --> 00:34:23,812
or being, uh...
650
00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:27,066
Being used to progress societies.
651
00:34:32,821 --> 00:34:35,741
And I've just...
I've believed for so long
652
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:39,328
that... that I'm...
653
00:34:39,537 --> 00:34:42,289
At a disadvantage for being a woman
654
00:34:42,498 --> 00:34:44,418
and that I have to work
harder than everyone else
655
00:34:44,542 --> 00:34:47,753
and I have more to overcome
and I have more to prove
656
00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:49,463
just because of my gender.
657
00:34:49,672 --> 00:34:52,132
But the mras are saying
that this is all a lie
658
00:34:52,341 --> 00:34:53,759
and that guys are actually the ones
659
00:34:53,968 --> 00:34:58,180
that are disadvantaged
and discriminated against.
660
00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:03,936
And, actually, the more 1 learn from them,
661
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